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01-23-12, 11:40 AM #1
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Senator Rand Paul triggers airport alarm, refuses TSA patdown, and gets escorted away by law enforcement
Sen. Rand Paul told his communications director this morning he was being detained by TSA at the Nashville airport.
The Twitter account associated with Paul staffer Moira Bagley, @moirabagley, tweeted around 10 a.m., ET, “Just got a call from @senrandpaul. He’s currently being detained by TSA in Nashville.”
A TSA spokesman disputed that Paul was ever “detained.” But he was not granted access to the secure area of the airport.
The TSA version of events is that Paul was not detained, but triggered an alarm during routine airport screening and refused to complete the screening process (pat-down) in order to resolve the issue. Paul was escorted out of the screening area by local law enforcement.More here: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...-in-nashville/The Paul staffer said TSA agents would not let Paul walk back through the body scanner and were demanding a full body pat-down.
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01-23-12, 01:23 PM #2
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TSA doesn't know what "detained" means. I'm not surprised.
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01-23-12, 04:59 PM #3
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I don't care what party he represents, he's not immune to the rules.
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01-23-12, 05:16 PM #4
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There are always details missing from articles like this, but when I read it, I read it to mean he wasn't detained in the sense that he wasn't free to leave, but that they wouldn't allow him to move forward or stay in his current location, and he was escorted out.
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01-23-12, 05:24 PM #5
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Originally Posted by keith720
Yes he is:
The U.S. Constitution actually protects federal lawmakers from detention while they’re on the way to the capital.
“The Senators and Representatives…shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same….” according to Article I, Section 6.
He was detained in a TSA cubicle. When he tried to leave and talk to a TSA supervisor he was told he could not leave the cubicle.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...-in-nashville/
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01-23-12, 05:31 PM #6
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I don't care what TSA's definition of "detained" is. If he's not free to leave, he's detained. It's the same standard we're held to as law enforcement officers. Even if he can't go on the plane, he should be free to turn around and walk out the way he came.
If he doesn't, I hope someone, someday, sues TSA into non-existence."If everyone is thinking alike, then someone isn't thinking." -Gen. George S. Patton
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01-23-12, 06:58 PM #7
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True story. Originally Posted by Rhino
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01-23-12, 06:58 PM #8
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Tell me I'm not free to leave, I am detained.
Detaining a legislator is a crime.I'm your huckleberry...
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01-23-12, 08:37 PM #9
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OK, so he is immune to the detention, but he's not immune to the search. The whole issue of "I'm special" is what has turned our politicians into a royal class among themselves. Originally Posted by Five-0
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01-23-12, 09:15 PM #10
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just to stir the pot...
are they immune from "detention" - or just immune from "arrest"...
there is a difference - right?
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01-23-12, 10:07 PM #11
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The Supreme Court as laid it out pretty plainly. Either a person is under a Terry-stop (an investigative detention, in which one must have reason suspicion that a crime has occurred or is about to occur) or they are under arrest. If it's neither one of those, then it's unlawful. That's why we, as cops, can't prolong a traffic stop any more than is reasonable. Originally Posted by Twan007
just to stir the pot...
are they immune from "detention" - or just immune from "arrest"...
there is a difference - right?"If everyone is thinking alike, then someone isn't thinking." -Gen. George S. Patton
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01-23-12, 10:10 PM #12
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I would argue (without having studied law) that due to the exceptions to be immune to arrest (felony, treason or breach of peace) the detention is or could be legal to determine if the lawmaker is also a law breaker meeting any of those three categories. Originally Posted by Twan007
just to stir the pot...
are they immune from "detention" - or just immune from "arrest"...
there is a difference - right?
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01-23-12, 10:15 PM #13
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How does that work if it isn't a traffic stop though? Such as this instance, with the TSA. If Paul was detained to investigate if his actions were a breach of peace (which is an exception to his immunity to arrest), but at the time there wasn't enough PC for an arrest, would that be legal? Originally Posted by Rhino
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01-23-12, 10:36 PM #14
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If he doesn't wanna get searched like the rest of us, take Greyhound. Plain and simple.
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Hey argue all you want, its TSA! Homeland security (thinks) it is immune from ALL rules and regulations, laws, etc., except what they make. Like the President and Holder, the Constitution and Rule of Law is inconvenient. And, NO, except under certain circumstances Congressmen, Senators, etc., put their pants on just like the rest of us unwashed masses and should not be treated differently.
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01-24-12, 03:51 PM #16
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I say good for him.
Like Rhino said, he can refuse the pat down search and should be able to turn around and walk right out of the airport. Politician or not.No one has greater love than this, to lay down ones life for ones friends - John 15:13
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