Thousands sign petition to make Texas an open-carry state

[TXCharlie]

We'll see... The NRA has lawsuits prepared and will be submitted tomorrow, This may force the Supreme Court to clearify its definition of "Shall not be infringed". Since infringement can simply mean "highly regulated", I think we're going to see a lot more lawsuits.

I applaud the Supreme Court decision today, but it did not go far enough in affirming 2nd Amendment rights, and will generate even more lawsuits. They should have defined the PRECISE DEGREE of regulations permissible.

I ask ALL of the justices, but especially the minority: "What part of 'SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED' do you not understand?

Training should be required - That is a no-brainer. Equally as rational is the ban against ownership by felons and the severely mentally ill. But there should be no off-limit places where a gun owner can pack, such as colleges and hospitals, as long as he does it safely.

Furthermore, partial bans, such as those against high-capacity magazines and semi-autos, are nonsensical and ultimately will almost certainly also be struck down, just as the requirements to store a gun dissembled or bound by a gun lock was struck down today.


It would not upset me if the cities that have enacted such bans are sued into bankruptcy - Serves them right for believing that they're above the Constitution.

[TXCharlie]

BTW, I just saw Louisiana'e Republican governor Bobby Jindal on Fox News...

I think he's Indian (as in India), but he's the most articulate politician to come along since Newt Gingrich.



He was talking about the striking down of the death penality for the scumbag who raped that little girl, put her in the hospital with severe injuries which will prevent her from EVER having children... He's ordering the Attorney General to defend a change in the punishment to physical casteration, and if not physical, then chemical

Of course, he is very pleased over the SCOTUS ruling on the 2nd Amendment. The Swamp Mafia picked a good one this time!

[MacLean]

Newsday.com
Experts: Court ruling won't affect New York gun laws
BY ANTHONY M. DESTEFANO

Sorry boss, but the "experts" you quoted are New York prosecutors and folks with a dog in the fight.

Larry Tribe, Eugene Volokh, and other serious constitutional scholars are not sharing that view.

Also, those "experts" said the Court said the Second Amendment only applies to the Feds, when in fact the Court chose to not say that at all.

We shall see, of course.

[Dustoff262]

Sorry boss, but the "experts" you quoted are New York prosecutors and folks with a dog in the fight.

Larry Tribe, Eugene Volokh, and other serious constitutional scholars are not sharing that view.

Also, those "experts" said the Court said the Second Amendment only applies to the Feds, when in fact the Court chose to not say that at all.

We shall see, of course.

The purpose of posting this article is because I wanted everyone to see how this liberal city operates. Many opinions and arguments will be made over the next few months. The number one concern for us in NYC is overall safety for law enforcement. I dont need to go into every scenario or repeat previous comments. This city is totally different than the rest of the country. The challenges are coming. It will be interesting to see how things could change in a couple of years from now. We may have a few changes to SCOTUS by then, and we may end up with another challenge to the 2nd amendment. This is only the first real test of many to come.

[MacLean]

I'm sorry, but I still refuse to accept any argument of which the premise is that NYC is "totally different from the rest of the country."

NYC is part of the United States, and is still subject to the supreme law of the land, no matter how much Bloomberg or anyone else wishes it different.

I agree with you that many tests will come out of this case, but that is about it.

[Xiphos]

This city is totally different than the rest of the country.

Last I checked NY City is part of the United States and is not granted exemptions from the Bill of Rights. The NYPD will adjust its tactics to deal with law abiding gun owners just like LE in most of the rest of the country. I've dealt with legal guns and I've dealt with illegal guns. Not a big deal, and I'm sure a fine agency like NYPD will figure out a way to cope.

[Dustoff262]

Mac, Xi....

You still dont understand my point of view. This SCOTUS ruling is just one ruling. Many many challenges are on the way to other existing laws in different municipalities. Mac, you are in Washington State. You mentioned before that your state already allows gun carry by its citizens. How far of a leap does your state need to take to conform to the new SCOTUS ruling versus the leap that NYC has to make?

Each state's constitution and by laws is different from state to state. Before 9-11, NYPD cops werent allowed to carry out of the state, even though PA allowed other law enforcement to carry. Why? Because we are pinched off from the rest of the country by a few bridges and tunnels, and NJ didnt allow our cops to travel through their state while armed.

HR218 has changed that, but it took 9-11 for the congress and senate to realize that LEOs remain LEOs regardless of what state they are in. But I tell you this.. if an NYPD cop gets involved in a shooting in another state, upholding the law, did you know that the NYPD will not indemnify that cop? Did you know that the NYPD only allows its officers to own 3 types of off-duty weapons? We can buy any gun we want, but it must be registered with our Dept., but if we use a weapon off duty, that is not one of the chosen by the department, we will not be indemnified.

So the SCOTUS ruling is in, but we have alot of legal opinions on the news, colleges and even this board. None will be exactly what we want to hear. The federal gov't cannot infringe on States rights. This is why the thinking varies from citizen to citizen across the country. Gun laws will never be a black and white issue. What goes on in Washington State is not the same thing that will go on in NYC.

I live here, work here and know what Im up against. During 9-11, we had LEOs from all over the country pitching in. I was told by a boss, to go up to a guy who was carrying openly in civilian clothes walking down 3rd avenue and find out what his malfunction was. He was a cop from Chicago. I thanked him for serving with us, but that he had to conceal his weapon, or openly wear his shield around his neck to identify himself as a LEO.

What you think you can do in your own state, will not necessarily be allowed in another. I know my state better than someone who doesnt work here in Law enforcement.

Many laws have been struck down by SCOTUS, but there are other previous rulings that were overturned by a current SCOTUS as well. The constitution is like a rubberband. It expands and contracts.. its a living breathing document that needs to be tweaked from time to time. This SCOTUS ruling deals with Washington DC, and sets the next round of arguments for other jurisdictions that are being challenged.

NYC (and you may not like to realize it, or hear me say it) although part of the United States, has been in existence far longer than those cities on the west or central part of the US. We have had gun bans in the city, while Gen. Custer was still fighting Indians. We are different from state to state, all across the nation. This 2nd Amendment affirmation is going to get tested over and over again, and was never meant to address particular issues in each jurisdiction as a blanket ruling.

I think the jury is still out as to how my city is affected by it. States rights advocates have to walk a fine line on this one. This ruling was made by essentially one vote. Its far from being a landslide, so there are alot of arguments that havent been heard that could change how things trickle down to each and every jurisdiction.

I will take the wait and see approach. No one here in NYC is running to the gun shops to buy guns. The perps who have a clean record are probably the only ones jumping up and down.

By the way. Should LEOs openly carry on airplanes? Would this ruling extend in such a way to allow that? or is it too much of a leap to make? Also, for any history buffs...
Wyatt Earp banned guns within the town limits of Tombstone. In retrospect, was the gunfight in the OK Corral justified, since he made up a rule that infringed on the rights of gun owners, which led to the gunfight in the first place? (Just a bit of sarcastic arm chair quarterbacking)

What Im getting at is there are alot of leaps into the unknown, and SCOTUS has not made everything clear cut and dry. Give it a few months or years, and we might find we have more questions than answers, and the lawsuits from state to state will help clarify those gray areas. I am not attacking this ruling. It just might not go far enough to address individual states rights, and how it wants their citizens to conform to this ruling.

[TXCharlie]

if an NYPD cop gets involved in a shooting in another state, upholding the law, did you know that the NYPD will not indemnify that cop? Did you know that the NYPD only allows its officers to own 3 types of off-duty weapons? We can buy any gun we want, but it must be registered with our Dept., but if we use a weapon off duty, that is not one of the chosen by the department, we will not be indemnified.

Sounds like you need some private CHL/CCW liability insurance & legal plan

[lewisipso]

BTW, I just saw Louisiana'e Republican governor Bobby Jindal on Fox News...

I think he's Indian (as in India), but he's the most articulate politician to come along since Newt Gingrich.



He was talking about the striking down of the death penality for the scumbag who raped that little girl, put her in the hospital with severe injuries which will prevent her from EVER having children... He's ordering the Attorney General to defend a change in the punishment to physical casteration, and if not physical, then chemical

Of course, he is very pleased over the SCOTUS ruling on the 2nd Amendment. The Swamp Mafia picked a good one this time!

I still like the guy but he has pissed off a lot of people when he said he would refuse to veto a bill by legislators to increase their own pay by a huge amount. This is a big hot topic button in Louisiana.

[MacLean]

Mac, Xi....

You still dont understand my point of view.

Sir, you communicate clearly and I understand you fine

I just don't agree with you - but that is the beauty of this country - ALL of the amendments apply equally to Washington and New York - including the first

[Xiphos]

Mac, Xi....

You still dont understand my point of view.

Sir, you communicate clearly and I understand you fine

I just don't agree with you - but that is the beauty of this country - ALL of the amendments apply equally to Washington and New York - including the first

Ditto Mac. I undestand what you're saying. I think you're wrong.

[Dustoff262]

Sounds like you need some private CHL/CCW liability insurance & legal plan

Some guys actually carry that kind of plan for themselves. I mentioned before that NYC is a cop hating town. I could list all the shootings in where a cops split second decision has led to indictment, long trials and bankruptcy and incarceration. Most seasoned veterans, when they reach the halfway point (like me) are so burned out with the double standards applied against us, we refuse to give this ungrateful city anything while off duty. Its not worth it. Most of us want to keep our homes, our families and our reputations intact.

The horror..... The horror.....

[Dustoff262]

Ditto Mac. I undestand what you're saying. I think you're wrong.

I dont think Im wrong, because Im taking a wait and see approach. I am not painting myself into a corner with a firm opinion in which the SCOTUS has not made clear, except to Washington DC.

Feel free to make your leap of faith on how it applies to outside your jurisdictions. Hope your trampolene springs dont pop!!!

At present, I know how things currently exists in NYC. The next NRA lawsuits are aimed at Chicago and San Fran. When they reach NYC, and get a ruling from the courts, we will see if things have to change here. The SCOTUS ruling isnt a cookie cutter for the states and local municipalities. NYC gun laws are difficult to the point that it almost seems like a ban, but NYC has issued 20,000 home permits, and 1800 carry permits (on top of the retired LEOs that automatically get it). What SCOTUS struck down were mandatory trigger locks/disassembly in the home and any bans to the average citizen for home defense in Washington DC. It has not addressed what type of laws are not an infringement in dealing with jurisdictional licensing, training, or necessity outside the home.

Keep jumping fellas.. its good for the heart!!! LMAO.

Its good to disagree. I respect your opinions as well. And I dont think you are wrong, when you attempt to extend your vision beyond your borders. I see it as an attempt to understand and deliver a well thought out opinion for the benefit of civil discourse. But where I think you are wrong is when you finalize your opinion that an LEO who works in a state that you do not, is wrong.

[MacLean]

Fair 'nuff.